if we bump into the national debt ceiling and by the way the good news is the republicans are talking more and more like this is not going to happen. but if we do, we have to go to a balance budget in a minute. can't borrow anymore. we've got a deficit that's, let's just call it morning friends a trillion. the c.b.o. estimate was a little bit below finally. but around the neighborhood of a trillion. that's 12 times 85. on top of that, you will... you have t danger of kicking off a worldwide financial panic as people start worrying about, well, is the united states going to default on its debt? if it comes down to paying social security payments or the interest on the debt, are we so sure that america will cut the social security payments and pay the interest on the debt? and a whole bunch of questions like that that we don't want anybody thinking about. we always want people thinking america is going to pay its obligations all of them. all of them. >> charlie: and america is. and we always have. i believe we will. but that's why i'm sorri about even if it's a small probability of a ca